Exploring the Ethical Conflict Between Women's and Children's Rights

Do the rights of the woman count for nothing?

What make children's rights take precedence over women's rights?

A fetus is not a women.

They don't. That's is what the discipline of ethics is for.

The right is the woman's choice to do what she wants with here own body. That is where the ethical conflict occurs.

You are correct. Rights are usually enshrined in laws, and currently in the UK, abortion is legal.

A woman has the right to bear a child or not. The legality sets out the parameters.

Rights are the high level principles by which we agree to live our lives.

We are interacting in real life. You are there and I am here.

It is part of her body until it is born.

That is correct.

I am not aware that anyone has any inherent rights.

Isn't that exactly what happened . . . . . . and is starting to happen again.

Ready when you are. Why don't you start by supporting the claim that objective morality actually exists.

They count in so far as we agree that they do.

It is not an independent being. It depends on the mother for its life.

A fetus is dependent on its mother for its continued existence.

I am talking about a representative democracy.

Once the child is born, it is no longer dependent on its mother. I have never said anyone is subhuman.

I agree.

We give power and we can take it away.

They all count. Do you know what ethics is about and how we use it?

She said that I was so wonderful that she didn't need any more.

Anyone can look after a child once it is born and it will survive.

That's what elections are for.

I could have been looked after by anyone.

Yes, anyone can.

Yes, but will I was in the womb is was dependent on my mother for my life.

And many do indeed, do that.

Not according to UK law, they are not.

I don't disagree but none of that changes the meaning.

Where does it say that?

So created.

"They do. Just because youre saying doesnt make it true." Where does it say that?

We spend our lives dealing with consequences.

Irrelevant. It is still her body do with with what she pleases in this case.

What's the problem with that?

"1) I do not care for women's rights" Fair enough.

The principles are set, people have equal rights, including the foetus. It is the branch of philosophy that called ethics, that deals with how we manage competing values when these principles clash, such as with abortion. It is at that point where standards for behaviour may be